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PostSubject: The Reasoning God   Fri May 15, 2009 9:58 pm

Many deists view god as a thinking reasoning entity. The thought came to mind that an entity that thinks and reasons would necessarily be a being.

What are your thoughts on that?

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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Fri May 15, 2009 11:42 pm

Yes that's a good question.
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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Sat May 16, 2009 5:58 am

To me thinking is a process the brain uses to solve problems. So in my opinion God doesn't think. It is just aware. But that awareness is perfectly reasonable and logical.
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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Sat May 16, 2009 1:09 pm

If God needs to reason then God is not all-knowing.

Human reason is not even infallible. It is based on perception, and perception is both fallible and easily manipulated. So, stating that God is a reasoning being is nothing but an anthropomorphization of a something we humans cannot possibly understand or even begin to truly comprehend.

In other words it's no different than some tribe of primitives imbuing God with the elements of nature, it is us (modern primitives) extrapolating our respective perception onto a mute potentiality - our god (this being of reason) is nothing but a reflection of our culture.
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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Sat May 16, 2009 7:49 pm

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If God needs to reason then God is not all-knowing.

Precisely! Reasoning, as humans do it, is an uncertain, prolonged, sequential, heuristic process that requires extension in time from question to conclusion. An anthro-morphic deity, who reasoned as humans do, would have to exist in space/time, hence would "know" only a fraction of what is happening now, and what happened in the past. For an Eternal/Infinite Being though, all possibilities (past, future, and present) would be simultaneously and totally available for instantaneous "conclusions".

Any analogy between human reasoning and divine reasoning would be tenuous at best. Hence, I conclude that G*D is not "a being", but Being per se; S/he does not live, G*D IS; S/he does not reason, G*D IS. Such an unfathomable god-concept might sound like a mechanical Mindfield, but I prefer to think of He/r as ALL. Hence, there is nothing that G*D is not. Perhaps, when humans are reasoning, G*D is reasoning. So the answer is yes/no. What was the question again?

Again, I must apologize that I don't "know" what I'm talking about. confused
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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Sun May 17, 2009 11:17 am

Gnomon wrote:
Hence, I conclude that G*D is not "a being", but Being per se; S/he does not live, G*D IS; S/he does not reason, G*D IS.

Very Heideggarian.
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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Sun May 17, 2009 7:37 pm

Gnomon wrote:
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If God needs to reason then God is not all-knowing.

Precisely! Reasoning, as humans do it, is an uncertain, prolonged, sequential, heuristic process that requires extension in time from question to conclusion. An anthro-morphic deity, who reasoned as humans do, would have to exist in space/time, hence would "know" only a fraction of what is happening now, and what happened in the past. For an Eternal/Infinite Being though, all possibilities (past, future, and present) would be simultaneously and totally available for instantaneous "conclusions".

Any analogy between human reasoning and divine reasoning would be tenuous at best. Hence, I conclude that G*D is not "a being", but Being per se; S/he does not live, G*D IS; S/he does not reason, G*D IS. Such an unfathomable god-concept might sound like a mechanical Mindfield, but I prefer to think of He/r as ALL. Hence, there is nothing that G*D is not. Perhaps, when humans are reasoning, G*D is reasoning. So the answer is yes/no. What was the question again?

Again, I must apologize that I don't "know" what I'm talking about. confused

Yes, I very much agree with that summation which is why I refer to god as being transrational rather than simply rational.

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PostSubject: Re: The Reasoning God   Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:23 pm

How’s this for “interesting?”

I have faith that everything and everyone is but a manifestation of the GodForce. Therefore, I suppose, as we think, so does S/He.

And I really can’t believe that we can be “separated” from our connection; that’s just the nature of it.

“Transrational” --- I like that. It appears to come closest to what I’ve observed.
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